As she notes on LI, Kristen Deese is …”Systems Genius, Business Coach, CBC and Co-Author of When Your Business Partner is Your Spouse, I am the brains behind the Braun of our plumbing, HVAC and remediation company. I’ve been in the trades, running the behind-the-scenes functions, serving all our businesses as the CFO, for nearly 20 years.”

She continues – “What really gets me FIRED UP is coaching and training other business owners in our industry how to make more profit. There are plenty of people out there to help these businesses generate higher sales – that’s not what I do – I teach them how to make more money.”

As a business coach, she goes beyond the typical CPA numbers and looks at business’ growth areas.

You celebrate the wins and then you also mourn the losses when you’re going over that information with those business centers. But it is also really exciting to be able to see growth in the business and in the leadership capabilities of owners when you’ve spent the time with them to teach them how to read their numbers and how to look at their reports and how to use that information to make good business decisions.

She goes into detail about the work she does with her clients…

We definitely talk to the business owners a lot about the difference between strategic tasks and tactical tasks. The tactical tasks are the minute things that have to be done all the time, every day. The strategic tasks are is that higher-level thinking? Let’s look at this from the big picture. Let’s step back and see what does the future look like and where did we where have been and how do we get to where we want to go?

In her opinion, this is the best way for entrepreneurs to grow…

There are a lot of times that they don’t realize that they’re being the bottleneck in their company until you pull them back a little bit. Sometimes you have to pull them back by the collar, pull them back a little bit and be like, “Get out of the way. Let your business run. Look at it from the strategic level. Make the decision from that level and just get out of the way.”

How did she decide business coaching was for her?

I don’t necessarily like being in the day to day, you know, solving problems and putting out fires and all of those things. But I do really enjoy working with business owners and showing them how to get out of that spot. And so after working with our own business coach for quite some time and kind of seeing that transformation in us, I was like, “Man, it would be really cool to be able to do this with other business owners.”

Very few entrepreneurs like to look at their own numbers. They want to grow their business the way they know how. And looking at numbers isn’t very sexy. But Kristen looks at it differently…

I think that your numbers hold you accountable, and if you don’t look at them, then who is holding you accountable? So I think that it has to do with the desire to not look at them. I’ve got a saying that “if you don’t pay attention to your numbers, they’re going to get your attention.” And probably in a way that you don’t appreciate. You want to look at the numbers when it’s a good month and you want to look at the numbers when it’s a bad month.

And her thoughts on mentors…

I had a mentor in my I had a job when I was in college and it was at a hair salon actually, of all places. The manager took me under her wing and taught me a whole lot about the back end of running a business. We were looking at individual stylist sales and creating commission reports and looking at expenses and how much does it cost when the shampoo person does two pumps versus one pump, when they’re doing a shampoo, like all of those sorts of things. I’m learning about risk and I’m learning about fraud and I’m learning about all of these big business, very corporate accounting ideas on the side.

What would you tell your younger self if you had the chance?

Entrepreneurs want to say yes to everything, right? Like every opportunity that looks kind of shiny, they want to say yes to. And so I would be on board. I’d be like, Yeah, yeah, let’s do it, let’s do it. Sounds great, whatever. And then it would completely take us off course of the vision that we had or it would just kind of we were all over the place for a little while. Again, this was years ago, so it took us both a while to be able to figure out what was something that we should say yes to versus what was something that we should thank you, but no thank you.

Find out more about Kristen on her website.

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Glenn Harper:

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Welcome, everybody.

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Or another episode of Harper and Company Empowering

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Entrepreneurs. Glen Harper here.

Julie Smith:

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Julie Smith.

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And we'd like to welcome our guest today, Kristin Deese, a

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fellow entrepreneur who is the brains behind multiple

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companies. She is a virtual CFO as well as a real CFO for

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multiple companies and owner of Gulf Coast business

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coaching in sunny Gulf Breeze, Florida.

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And in her spare time, she can be found on the beach

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throwing mud on ATVs with her family.

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Even though she looks like she's all brains and a desk

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jockey, she likes to get dirty and experience nature and

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manual labor. Thanks to Christian for being part of the

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show today.

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Thank you for having me.

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You're welcome. Well, it's the funniest thing when we get

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some guests on here, the we try to have some commonality

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and we can make fun of each other.

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And knowing that you're an accountant, I mean, we share a

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special bond, I think, and a non accountants just don't get

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it. Julie doesn't get it.

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She has no clue about what that means.

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And we're trying to figure out, you know, when you were in

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school, I don't know if you really wanted to be an

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accountant, but you said somehow you liked it and I just

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didn't know if it was, you know, was it the cash versus

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accrual accounting amortization of bond premiums or

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accounts that just made you have to be the language of

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accounting? Which one was it?

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Probably none of the above.

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What those are, that's sexy, that kind of stuff.

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I actually started my college career wanting to be a nurse,

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which is completely opposite of accounting, and realized

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that in order to do that I had to take biology and

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chemistry and they were really hard.

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So I jumped ship from that and moved over to accounting,

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which is completely opposite spectrum and found.

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I always have loved numbers and organization and stuff like

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that, but then started really understanding how it worked

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from that accounting perspective.

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And then I was like, okay, this is kind of cool.

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It's just basically like a puzzle.

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Yeah, we look at it like, you know, some accounts really

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never even get it.

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But you're an anomaly, kind of like myself, where at one

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point you're sitting there looking at numbers and doing

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what you do, and all of a sudden it's like the matrix.

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The numbers just roll and they make sense and you're like,

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Oh, I can speak this language.

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It makes sense, right?

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Is that kind of what happened?

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Yeah, totally. As a matter of fact, the very first

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accounting, one on one class that I took, I failed.

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I had to retake it.

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But then once it clicked the second time around, then I was

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like, Oh, this is all making sense now and then.

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Now, even just yesterday, I was working on a complicated

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journal entry that was just really I just couldn't get it

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to balance. And then when it finally did, it was like, oh.

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Are you are you suggesting that you don't just plug a number

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and make it bounce or you actually try to find the number?

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Oh, no, I can take it.

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Yeah, that's great.

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So I've been dying to ask this.

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Your husband, Justin, does does he think your tractor's

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sexy? Do you guys have a tractor because you said you drive

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one of those around?

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We do have a tractor and a four wheeler and a side by side.

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Nice.

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So I stalked you a little bit on your online profile and

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Kennesaw State University.

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How do we detect that?

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That's the third largest university in Georgia.

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Well, how did you pick that versus the Bulldogs?

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What was the reason?

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Was it Sturgis the owl or is just because you just want

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like the smaller school?

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Well, I actually started at Georgia State and transferred to

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Kennesaw about halfway through.

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I went to high school up in that area, so I was very

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familiar with that area.

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And when I went to Kennesaw way back in the day, it was

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still a commuter school. So it wasn't even close to the

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size that it is now.

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Now they have dorms and a football team and all kinds of

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stuff, and when I was there, none of that was there.

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However, they had a fantastic business school and they

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still do. And so I wanted to get out of the city and out of

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Georgia State. So I transferred up to Kennesaw to finish

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out, and I'm very glad I did.

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It was it was an excellent school and their business and

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accounting program was is pretty good.

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How about that? Did you you weren't there when they had

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Sturgis, right. I think he came along a little bit later

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but yeah.

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Yeah, no I wasn't there when when they were there, my

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brothers ended up going there for a little while for

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engineering several years after I did.

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And by the time they went, Sturgis was there.

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And the plank and all of the things that they do now.

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Do they like have the outgoing attack little animals or is

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it just flying around or is it just sit there and look

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noble?

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I honestly have never been to a Kennesaw football game, so I

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couldn't tell you have it.

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And my final like warm up question is do you prefer

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horseback riding or four wheeling?

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Oh, my gosh. I don't know that I could pick.

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It is a tough one.

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I think probably four wheeling, but only by like a little

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smidge of a preference.

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Because it's not as dangerous or more fast.

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You like to live in dangerous.

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I have a little bit more control on four wheeling because

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I'm driving as opposed to a horse where you have to you

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have some bit of control.

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But really the 1200 pounds beneath you has more control

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than you do. So.

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Yeah. They a moth.

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Oh, my God. We're going to die.

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Horse jumps straight.

Julie Smith:

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Yeah, that's Glenn's last softball question.

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But the one thing that I read while stalking you like

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Glenn, was the coffee and wine comments so we can find you

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in the morning, drinking your coffee and ending your day

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with wine. And for whatever reason, it wasn't the numbers

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that connected me with you.

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It was that.

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Yes, like I am a human too.

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So which one's your favorite?

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Do you like to the beginning of the day or the end of your

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day?

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Oh, coffee? For sure.

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Yeah, for sure. I as a matter of fact, it's mostly cream

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with just like a splash of coffee.

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So I get that as I'm drinking Starbucks dairy's.

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Good selection theory.

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Well, would you?

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You know, for our listeners out there, we always like to

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have our our guests kind of just tell a little bit about

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what services your companies do and, you know, a little

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intro of what you guys do for a living and the why of that.

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And then we'll get into some more depth about being an

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entrepreneur as a you know, we just want to know a little

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bit about what you do so our clients can kind of connect

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with connect with you.

Kristen Deese:

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Well, we do own a couple of businesses.

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We, my husband and I have worked together for 20 years,

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give or take. We own a business in Atlanta that installs

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kitchen appliances for people who purchase them from Lowe's

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and Home Depot. So if you go need a dishwasher and you want

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somebody to install it, that's our company that gets

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contracted out to do that.

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And then we own a company here in the panhandle of Florida

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called Paradise Home Services, and it's plumbing, HVAC and

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then water and mold remediation.

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So I operate as the CFO for both of those companies.

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And then what I do with the majority of my time is those

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CFO services for other businesses in the trades.

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What we find a lot of times in the trades is the owners are

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really good technicians, they're really good at what they

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do. But running the business part isn't necessarily

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something that is a strength for them.

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So the coaching and the CFO services help them in that area

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of weakness so that they can be more balanced as a

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business.

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So you work, you coordinate that with their current CPA or

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accounting people to get the data.

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And then you kind of look at at a high level.

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What the owner yeah, I actually work with their in-house

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accounting staff.

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So a lot of times they'll have like a bookkeeper or an

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office manager or somebody who's keeping track of all of

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the day to day information expenses and receipts and

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payments and deposits and invoices and all that kind of

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stuff. And I help them with getting their systems together

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and how are they going to collect receipts and where are

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they going to store them and how are they going to track

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them and how are they going to track to make sure that

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they're getting paid on their invoices?

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And then I help them put together their financial reports

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and reconcile all their statements and do all of those

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things. And then when they go to the CPA, they can give

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their CPA their completed books.

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And their CPA is not having to run around trying to figure

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out, you know, trying to do the reconciliations and figure

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out where everything is.

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They can just take the completed reports and prepare the

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taxes and do whatever they need to do with it.

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So it's definitely very much a managerial accounting as

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opposed to tax prep accounting.

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Gotcha. See, you're more of a controller and then you take

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that data, hand it off, and then you analyze it with the

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owner and tell them what's going on.

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Exactly. Yeah. So the we take the the information that goes

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to the CPA, they deal with the tax side of things.

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And then we take that same information and we sit down with

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ownership and we say, okay, let's look at how you did.

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Let's look at what your trends are.

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Let's look on which departments are making money and which

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departments are. Let's look at where your holes in the boat

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are basically, and let's figure out how to plug them.

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Don't business owners just love getting under the microscope

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and getting called out on all of those things?

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It's the.

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No. It's a really vulnerable situation for business owners

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to be in, but it's totally necessary in order to be

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successful. There are so many times that, you know, these

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people are running around selling, selling, selling.

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They're they're working really, really, really hard.

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But then they look at their bank account and they're like,

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where is the money? What is going on here?

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And you have to have that.

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You have to be able to analyze the information and know

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what you're looking at in order to figure out where it's

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going.

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It's funny when this whole podcast is empowering

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entrepreneurs and it's about helping them get the knowledge

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transfer so they understand what it means to run a

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business, not just do the business.

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And and that is a neat thing that you're doing because that

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is something severely lacking for small business owners,

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for sure. I find it interesting that, you know.

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The responsibility of being the CFO of multiple companies

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that are your own, but also then to take that role.

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It's an emotional burden because you can't help.

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But I'm sure that you feel fully invested helping these

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clients and you've got to get you can't just cursory look

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at the numbers, you've got to get down into it, down in the

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detail. And it's an emotional thing, even though people say

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it's not supposed to be. I have to believe it is a little

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bit for you. I mean, it is for me when we look at clients

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books because you you want them to succeed, you want to

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help them, you want to educate them.

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But boy, up and down, it's a it's a traumatic experience

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for everybody.

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Yeah, it's definitely.

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You celebrate the wins and then you also mourn the losses

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when you're going over that information with those business

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centres. But it is also really exciting to be able to see

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growth in the business and in the leadership capabilities

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of owners when you've spent the time with them to teach

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them how to read their numbers and how to look at their

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reports and how to use that information to make good

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business decisions.

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It's it's really neat to see that transformation in the

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business owners themselves and that tremendous growth that

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can happen.

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It for for me and and I think probably all the other staff

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that we have on our team and the other accountants, the

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ability to coach a client along and have them learn

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something and interpret and be able to make decisions on

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something they never even understood.

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You know, a day ago.

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And all of a sudden they they can speak the language.

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They know what it means. It's you know, that that mentoring

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or just helping them do that is is so powerful because now

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that that client or that individual, that company can

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literally achieve something greater.

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And if we if you do it right, we see they don't even now,

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they're not involved in the operations as much as the

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business. They're just like a hands off business owner that

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just does some things and they can do all the things that

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they want to do. And that's the fun part when they realize

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they have this opportunity to do other things, not just

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grind away at something.

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Right. Yeah, we we definitely talk to the business owners a

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lot about the difference between strategic tasks and

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tactical tasks.

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The tactical tasks are the minute things that have to be

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done all the time, every day.

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The physical labor of the of the business and the strategic

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tasks are is that higher level thinking?

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And that, you know, let's look at this from a big picture.

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Let's step back and see what does the future look like and

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where did we where have we been and how do we get to where

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we want to go? And being able to pull those business

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outers, the business owners out of that tactical mode and

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that tactical mindset to be able to look at things

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strategically just does.

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A total like mindset shift for them that it doesn't we

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don't I don't have to be in a truck doing the job and

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checking on the sites.

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We can set this up so that other people are doing that and

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I can focus on the bigger picture of things.

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You always have a trick question for clients.

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We onboard them and even after we've had them for a while,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

it's always ask them, what is it that you do that actually

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

makes money? Like what do you think your role is?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

What? What pays the bills?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Like, what is that thing that you do?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And they always say, Well, it's this task of doing it.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I'm like, That's not where you make your money yet.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Making money is being strategic and planning and putting

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

your team together. And it's just when they get that aha

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

moment, they're like, Oh my God, that's right.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

What? Why? Just because I am the wizard at fixing a breaker

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

box doesn't mean I should be doing that.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I mean, they're fun playing black boxes, but that's not

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

what they should be doing. I mean.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Yeah, there's a lot of times that they don't realize that

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

they're being the bottleneck in their company until you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

pull them back a little bit.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Sometimes you have to pull them back by the collar, pull

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

them back a little bit and be like, Get out of the way.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Let your business run.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Look at it from the strategic level.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Make the decision from that level and just get out of the

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

way. And then all of a sudden it's like, Oh, wait, this is

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

what leverage is. This is how to leverage.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It's kind of like you and me, probably.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

We again, we got some affinities that we share a little

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

bit. And one of those things is, you know, we just dearly

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

love our ten keys, right?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And but we don't really make money on our ten key.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But dang, now, but I just can't stop using it.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I don't know about you. It's just something fun.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I know it is.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

He. He used to pack it in his backpack.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

We'd go away to, like, speak at conferences or whatever,

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

and he'd, like, we'd sit down and he'd go to unzip his

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

backpack. And I'm like, Oh, my gosh, is that a ten key in

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

there? He's like, You just don't know.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

I'm like, Never, ever.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I can't even add one plus one without a ten key anymore.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

So it's very important for me.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I mean, it's not efficient to use the numbers along the top

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

of the keyboard.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Oh, see, you get it.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

I have a solar calculator at my desk.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

It works just fine.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It's embarrassing. Totally embarrassing.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It gives us all kinds of bad name.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

When did you decide?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You know, it's one thing when you come out of school and

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

you're doing what you do and you're working for a living,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

and then all of a sudden you decide that you're in your

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

husband or you in a business partner.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Are you on your own? You're going to start a business, you

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

know, how did you decide to do that?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I mean, that's. Did you have a real job where you're an

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

entrepreneur as a kid?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

What what made you decide that, hey, I'm going to be a

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

business owner today.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So my my husband made that decision for us a long time ago.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

He is.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

He always has been our entrepreneur, visionary.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Between the two of us and I have always been the detail

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

oriented. Let's make sure all of the T's are crossed and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

the I's are dotted and the money's where it needs to be and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

all that kind of stuff. So when we first started our first

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

business many moons ago, I kept a real job, quote unquote,

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

in order to make sure that we could pay the power bill and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

eat. And then it got to the point where the business that

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

he created was getting to be enough that I was working in

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

the evenings and on the weekends in his business doing all

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

of the accounting things.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And then I was still trying to keep this job.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And then we had two small children at the time and I was

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

like, okay, this is too much.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And I made the leap to move over into that business, and we

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

did that for a long time.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Just the one service company.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We grew it very large.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

It was the appliance installation and some plumbing.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We grew it very large.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And then in 2008 hit.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And like everybody else, we kind of had to reel it all back

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

in and really cut out a lot of things.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We went from like four or five states and 50 trucks running

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

down to a very bare minimum just because we were cutting

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

weight everywhere that we could.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And then when we came out of that, which we did come out of

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

it barely when we came out of that, then it was kind of

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

like, All right, we're going to rebuild what we have going

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

on here and kind of make some shifts.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And as we got comfortable in that position, that's when I

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

realized that my area, what I really enjoyed doing was the

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

coaching side of things.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I don't necessarily like being in the day to day, you know,

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

solving problems and putting out fires and all of those

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

things. But I do really enjoy working with business owners

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

and showing them how to get out of that spot.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And so after working with our own business coach for quite

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

some time and kind of seeing that transformation in us, I

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

was like, Man, it would be really cool to be able to do

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

this with other business owners.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So then I started doing coaching in general.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We were I was coaching vision stuff and organizational

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

charts and systems and marketing and finance and, and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

leadership and the whole thing still only really focusing

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

on the trades because that's where our experience is.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So I can really relate with those business owners and then

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

ended up just in the last probably two or three years

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

really whittling it down to the systems, the finance, a

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

little bit of the vision stuff.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

But it's really that organization and that level of detail

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that the business owners don't really want to mess with.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

They just want it to be done because they kind of feel like

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

if it's there, it probably would be helpful, but they don't

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

really necessarily want to put the work in to make it

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

happen. And then there's all kinds of coaches in in our

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

space and in in spaces all over that really focus in on

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

driving sales and leadership, which is amazing and it's

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

necessary. But if you don't have the foundation and the

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

details lined out and your systems in place, your sales,

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

your additional sales that you're getting from these other

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

training programs are just compounding issues that you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

already have. So I try to get a hold of them, help them get

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that foundation really strong.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Then when they do ultimately go to sales and leadership

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

training and coaching and whatever, they're seeing a much

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

higher return on investment on that because their

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

foundation is strong.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It seems like everything's is packaged for entrepreneurs

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

like the literally the two things that are really the most

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

important in my opinion, other than obviously have to be

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

good at what they do, whatever the product and service they

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

do. But they got to understand the tax consequences and

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

they got to understand their financials to see how they're

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

performing. And those are literally the two things that

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

just give the heebie jeebies to everybody.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And I don't know why that stereotype is there, but once

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

they learn it and understand it, it's actually it takes so

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

much stress off of them because they're like, oh, that's

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

all there is to that.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And I don't know why it's so hard.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I don't know if it's because they're watching too much TV.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I don't know if it's a read too many magazines.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I don't know if they just are intimidated by it.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But it is the strangest phenomena.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Would you agree to that? I mean, it's weird.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I do agree and I think honestly that it is a level of

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

accountability that a lot of people don't want to own up

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

to. I think that your numbers hold you accountable, and if

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

you don't look at them, then who is holding you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

accountable? So I think that that a lot of times has to do

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

with the desire to to not look at them or to.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

You know, we've got I've got a saying that if you don't pay

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

attention to your numbers, they're going to get you they're

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

going to get your attention and probably in a way that you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

don't appreciate. And so, you know, you you want to look at

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

the numbers when they're when it's a good month and you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

want to look at the numbers when it's a bad month.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And you need to you need to scrutinize them the same way in

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

both scenarios, because if it's a bad month, everybody

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

wants to know where the money went and what happened.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

But if it's a good month, you need to know why that

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

happened as well so that you can repeat it.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It's almost like the.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Actual numbers are real.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And like, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And entrepreneurs, again, they like to freewheel a little

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

bit and they like to do what they feel and think.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And that's why we love entrepreneurs, because they have

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

that manic thing about them side.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But at some point you've got to get them on point and look

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

at the real things, make real decisions, and then send them

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

off to hunt again. Right. And that's that's the fun part.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Yeah.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

And something you said that, you know, I read your profile

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

is quality over quantity.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

And I think you've you've hinted around that a lot, but

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

that's definitely the pinpoint of what you're definitely

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

trying to get the owners to do is to get out of their own

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

way in regards to that quality over quantity and having

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

that accountability and having those systems in place in

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

order to have that, if you, in my opinion, you know, that's

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

exactly what you're doing.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Yeah. For sure.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

It's that it's it goes back to the, the idea that if you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

have problems in your systems and you have problems if

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

you've got problems when you're small and you throw more

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

sales on top of it, all you're going to do is have bigger

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

problems when you're big. So solve them and then dump a

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

bunch of sales onto it and then it'll flourish.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

That's a bunch of poppycock.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

That is not true. That is not I don't know who told you

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

that, but that's simply not true.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You've got more sales.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

More sales. So your upbringing, when you're doing work,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

doing things on the farm, do you think, you know, a lot of

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

entrepreneurs have this insatiable appetite to challenge

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

themselves, do more than it's expected, and just really

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

can't get enough of what they do.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And that comes, you know, sometimes your program that way,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

sometimes you are instilled that work ethic when you're

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

you're young or you see something with an athlete in the

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

military, you know, police officer or farmer, just

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

something where you have to do way more than is expected.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You have to get up early. You've got to do those things

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

again. Who doesn't love shovel manure?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But I mean, like to be able to do those things.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Do you feel like that gave you a good base to say like, I

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

can roll up my sleeves and get into this, this isn't a

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

problem.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, it's work ethic was something

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that was instilled in me from as early as I can remember.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And I definitely think that there is.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

There is that drive in entrepreneurs that isn't found in

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

everybody, which is a good thing because we don't need

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

everybody to be entrepreneurs.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We need some people to just roll up their sleeves and do

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

the work. I know that it like like a lot of people, there

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

is a tendency to roll up the sleeves and do the work when

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

you shouldn't be right, when somebody else should be doing

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

it, or you should be kind of backing out.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

But, you know.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Spending the time early on and working hard and seeing what

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

happens when you do work hard, when you do a good job, you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

know, maybe you get the promotion or maybe you see the next

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

opportunity. It just opens up a whole world of who knows

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

what could have happened right?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

When I was a teenager, I never in a million years would

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

have thought that we would be running multiple businesses

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

and, you know, doing coaching and CFO services and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

whatever. And here I am doing the things.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

So when you look back and I know Glenn's, you know, kind of

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

went back on, you know, your childhood, do you think that

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

there is someone from your childhood or maybe someone in

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

college or someone early on, even in your real job that you

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

would consider consider a mentor that had a big impact on

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

your life, even where you are today.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Yeah. I had a mentor in my I had a job in when I was in

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

college and it was at a hair salon actually, of all places.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And I was kind of like the salon manager and I was very

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

young, under 21 for sure, because I would have been I was

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

in college at the time and the business owner was probably

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

about ten years older than me.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So she wasn't she was still young herself, but she was very

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

intelligent in the terms of running the business.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And she kind of took me under her wing and taught me a

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

whole lot about the back end of running a business that

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

would have taken me quite a bit longer to learn had she not

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

done that. And that kind of was probably the first time I

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

really saw numbers and trending and like statistics from a

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

business standpoint in that way.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And I didn't necessarily realize how much I really how much

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I enjoyed it at that point.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

A couple of years later, I was like, okay, now I understand

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that this is really cool, but I was actually doing that

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

work several years prior and not even really realizing it.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We were looking at individual stylist sales and creating

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

commission reports and looking at expenses and how much

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

does it cost when the shampoo person does two pumps versus

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

one pump, when they're doing a shampoo, like all of those

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

kind of things. We were analyzing and I was doing that,

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that whole trending in numbers way before I even realized

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

what I was doing. So there was I think I definitely leaped

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

forward while I worked there in a way that even though I'm

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

taking classes in college and I'm learning, I'm learning

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

about risk and I'm learning about fraud and I'm learning

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

about all of these big business, very corporate accounting

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

ideas on the side.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I'm doing like real small business things, and those are

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

not the type of skills that I would have learned taking the

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

classes that I was taking in school because I was learning

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

like the bigger auditing and stuff like that.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So it was it was kind of a neat experience and especially

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

looking back, obviously hindsight's 2020, right?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So you can see when you look back, you're like, Oh, that

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

really was a very impactful time.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It too. Comments on that.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

So hopefully you figured out a way to give the two pumps

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

and charge an extra $0.20 for the thing because people want

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

a lot of lather when they go in there.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

So that's important to do that and make sure you're making

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

the money. But that other part too is the ability to it.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

When I was in school, I was working a real job and and in

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

accounting. And it was amazing when you go to class and you

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

learn a concept, but you have and then you go back to the

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

office and you actually integrate it, you're like, wow.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It just, you know, you learn by doing you kind of you're

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

almost teaching to learn.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And it really accelerates how much faster that stuff

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

resonates with you. Right.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And so I can definitely see where that could have happened

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

for you.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

Have you been able to keep that relationship and keep in

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

contact?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

For the first several years after I left, we did.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We kind of grew apart a little bit.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And now it's a connection once every couple of years and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

it's, oh, my gosh, how have you been?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

La la la la. And then a couple more years, we'll do it

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

again.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Do you find when you are you know, when you're willing to

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

roll up your sleeves and get dirty and get into the into

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

the guts of things, do you find that that creates a

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

situation where you can be a more more of a leader than a

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

boss? Because you're you show that you're willing to do the

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

work. You've done it before.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You have. Like, don't try to tell me anyone in this office.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I did everything you guys have done and you can lead by

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

example versus stand there dictating.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Is that is that something you felt has helped you as well?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Absolutely. And not only has it helped from the leadership

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

standpoint, but it also helps keep me relevant in the

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

situations that these business owners and their employees

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

are going through on a regular basis.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So that's part of why I still enjoy and appreciate doing

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

the CFO services for the businesses that we own is because

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

then when I am working with these other business owners,

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

they're experiencing a lot of the same things that we are

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

experiencing. So we can kind of almost bounce back and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

forth between what what have we tried, what worked, what

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

didn't work. Here's what we do in our business.

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Speaker:

Let me help you implement that into your business.

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Speaker:

And so absolutely the trick is finding the balance of

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Speaker:

rolling up my sleeves and getting to work and showing

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Speaker:

showing the people that I am still willing to do that and

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Speaker:

stepping across the line of not delegating when I should,

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Speaker:

because we fall into the trap of it's easier to just do it

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Speaker:

myself than it would be to train somebody else to do it or

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Speaker:

to come up with a system or whatever.

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Speaker:

And at that point, it's when you turn into the bottleneck

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Speaker:

when you may not necessarily realize it.

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Speaker:

So it's definitely striking that line between, Yep, I'm

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going to roll up my sleeves and help and stay relevant.

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Speaker:

And also let me make sure that this isn't something that

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Speaker:

really should be delegated to somebody else.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I feel like there's always somebody watching over my

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

shoulder making sure that I'll do that because it's really,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

really easy because we have all this knowledge on the

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

wisdom that again, we can look at a problem and we can get

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

from A to Z in like eight nanoseconds.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

And if we hand it off to somebody, it's going to take them

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

three days. But they've got to struggle.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

They got to figure it out.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You've got to coach them along and they'll get there.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Then maybe the fifth time they can do it in a couple of

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

minutes, you know. But it's hard because you just want that

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

instant results and get things done.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Yup.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Do you feel like at any point in time, like now you've been

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

doing this for how many years?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

The CFO thing.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

The four other companies I've been doing CFO for about two

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

years.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Two years. And when you were doing the CFO for your current

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

companies, you've been doing that for a while, right?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

That started way back when.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Is there anything way back?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Do you feel like there's a was a point in time where you're

Glenn Harper:

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like, Man, if I had just known that, then where would I be

Glenn Harper:

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today? Was there.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

When you look back, is there that moment where you're like,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

when you're sitting here today going, Gosh, if I had just

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

known that little formula 15 years ago, I'd be a

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

kajillionaire. Is that does that something that that hits

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

you? Are you are you already just.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Yeah, I got it. I'm just moving on.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So I think that.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

There's probably a couple.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

One would be.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

When we figured out that when we started separating our our

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the company by departments and looking at department

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profitability, we started seeing this was like ten years

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

ago, we started seeing that there was one department or

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Speaker:

wing that just really was underperforming.

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Speaker:

But that department brought in a lot of sales.

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Speaker:

And so we were terrified to let it go because it boosted

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Speaker:

the sales number. But when you got all the way down to the

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bottom, it was not doing anything for the bottom line.

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Speaker:

And so we were really scared to let that go and make that

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Speaker:

decision and kind of take that step in it.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

You know, looking at the opportunity costs and if if it's

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Speaker:

not making any money and we put that energy somewhere else,

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Speaker:

what could we be doing instead?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And all of those things.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So if we could have figured that out a little bit earlier,

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Speaker:

that would have been cool.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And also it stays on the forefront now when we're looking

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Speaker:

at our different departments numbers as in terms of do we

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need to continue to provide the service, is it profitable

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Speaker:

or do we need to make a change or we need to let it go all

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together? I think the other thing that kind of piggybacks

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

off of that is it took us when I say us, I would say

Kristen Deese:

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probably just in.

Kristen Deese:

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My husband is a little bit more guilty of this than I am.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But of course, it's as.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs want to say yes to

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Speaker:

everything, right? Like every opportunity that looks kind

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Speaker:

of shiny, they want to say yes, too.

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Speaker:

And so I would be on board.

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Speaker:

I'd be like, Yeah, yeah, let's do it, let's do it.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Sounds great, whatever.

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Speaker:

And then it would completely take us off course of the

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vision that we had or it would just kind of we were all

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Speaker:

over the place for a little while.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Again, this was years ago, so it took us both a while to be

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Speaker:

able to figure out what was something that we should say

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

yes to versus what was something that we should thank you,

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but no thank you. In terms of looking at opportunities and

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

again, if if that's something that we could have figured

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

out earlier, then we could have been more dialed in on a

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Speaker:

direction and a vision earlier on.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I think that we're we're dialed in now, but it didn't

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Speaker:

happen. It took half of the time that we were business

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Speaker:

owners for that to happen.

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Speaker:

So imagine if we would have been able to do that from the

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Speaker:

beginning, what this whole thing would look like.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I think those are probably two of the.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Two of the key.

Kristen Deese:

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Had I known now what I knew then.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

What it could have showed. The the one thing you mentioned,

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and I think that's probably, you know, everybody has a why

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they do what they do and it's your why is not that you love

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numbers. I mean, obviously you're doing your accountant,

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for God's sakes. We love numbers.

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But I think it's more of the fact that you want to help.

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And when you walk into a client and you understand, we see

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this a lot in our business, a lot that, you know, a client

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

is all driven about their gross sales.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It's not about the gross, it's about the margin.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Right. And, oh, I sold 10 million last year.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Well, how much did you make? You know, ten bucks.

Glenn Harper:

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I'm like, Well, I got a guy over here.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It's sold 1000 and May 900.

Glenn Harper:

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Who would you rather be?

Glenn Harper:

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Right. So being able to for you kind of understanding that

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

a ha moment in your own business and now you're out

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coaching and teaching other people this, that's got to be

Glenn Harper:

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one of the first things you talk about and that has got to

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be really, really well received for a client to understand

Glenn Harper:

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that it's not about how much I mean, sales are important

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and what you sell for, but it's not what you sell it for,

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what you make on it. And I feel like that is a very

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

impactful thing that you're doing for people that again,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

you're helping them accelerate and get over that hump, that

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

it took you a long time to figure it out.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Right.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the idea would be to help them shorten

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

their learning curve, right?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Like we took we took the long way.

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Speaker:

We took the long route there.

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Speaker:

But to be able to help them shorten the learning curve and

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Speaker:

get to the profitability that they want to be at faster

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

obviously is the ultimate goal.

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Speaker:

There's a lot of times that I talk to business owners who

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

are just in complete overwhelm.

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Speaker:

They're running, they're running ragged, their business is

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Speaker:

running them. They've got customers who are beating on the

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Speaker:

doors, wanting things, and they have employees that they're

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Speaker:

having a hard time dealing with.

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Speaker:

And, you know, they don't know their numbers.

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Speaker:

They're they're gauging whether or not they're doing well

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Speaker:

by the cash that's sitting in the bank and whether or not

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they can make their next payroll.

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And it's a tough place to be in.

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And I know that because I've been there.

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And it's it feels like, you know, you go through periods of

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time when you're like, what am I even doing this for?

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I just seem to throw it all away and go get a job that I

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can go to work and I can come home and I can get a paycheck

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on Friday, and that's it.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

But that's not the entrepreneurial way.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

No, it's not. So it's so going in and being like, okay,

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cool. I know it's chaotic right now and I have been in

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Speaker:

those shoes, so let's get to work on fixing this and then

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Speaker:

pulling them out of that and fixing all of the things and

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Speaker:

then setting them back out on their little journey.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

That is the reason that I do the things, because it just it

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Speaker:

hurts my heart to see when they're struggling because we

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

were there, too. And I can I definitely know I'm living the

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

example that there is 100% a better way to run your

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

business.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Don't you feel like entrepreneurs definitely have a screw

Glenn Harper:

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loose? I mean, we're definitely a little bit odd because

Glenn Harper:

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who who wakes up every day negative and is happy to go

Glenn Harper:

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perform and try to turn that into a positive.

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And the cool thing is, once entrepreneurs recognize that

Glenn Harper:

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they need that help, like you said, you had a coach before

Glenn Harper:

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you even as you were doing your business, you had a coach

Glenn Harper:

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as entrepreneurs realized that that coach and you're doing

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

that for these as a CFO, you're basically their coach,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

right? It's not about the numbers.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It's really about your mental state.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

It's amazing how somebody could be so close to burning out

Glenn Harper:

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and just they can't take it anymore, but they really,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

really want to do it. And all of a sudden they get this

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

little key and then, boom, they are off to the races.

Glenn Harper:

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And it's it's the greatest feeling ever for me anyway.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

That's why I love doing what I do.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But I'd imagine it's very similar for you.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Yeah, for sure.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

So early on.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

You know, I know that your husband was the reason you guys

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

kind of went into this and you were kind of doing the real

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

job. But at what point do you think you knew or you and

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

your husband decided to?

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

We need a team and we have to kind of get out of our own

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

way. We have to be able to kind of build this team and

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

delegate. And I just curious at what point you had that

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

moment?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

It did not take very long to get to that point from the

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Speaker:

technician labor standpoint, because Justin was the only

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Speaker:

one doing the technical labor and he was also trying to

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Speaker:

answer the phone and he was trying to talk to the stores

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

and he was trying to do all of these things.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And so it didn't take long for him to be like, this is for

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Speaker:

the birds, somebody else.

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Speaker:

We need to get somebody else in here to help with the

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Speaker:

actual technical part of it, the technical labor part.

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Speaker:

And then so there was so we brought in the first

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technician, which by the way, is still with us today.

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Speaker:

He's our general manager of our business in Atlanta.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So he came in and started helping and then.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I want to say we probably brought in somebody who sat in

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like a CSR position, even if it was just from a part time

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Speaker:

standpoint to kind of help with some of the administrative

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Speaker:

things. But the point where it was like, okay, we need

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Speaker:

somebody is the puppet for I am out the door by five

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Speaker:

running the entire day home at ten, 11, 12:00 at night,

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Speaker:

sleeping for a couple of hours and getting up and doing it

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Speaker:

all over again. You can only do that for a certain period

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

of time before you're like, Okay, something's got to give.

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Speaker:

And then for from me and the job standpoint, it was a strain

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on the relationship.

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It was a strain on the House in general to have him gone

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Speaker:

all the time. Because then I am doing the pickups at

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daycare and I'm going to work and then I'm picking up at

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Speaker:

daycare at the end of the day, and then we're doing dinner

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

and bath and the whole thing, and then I get the hour.

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Speaker:

We only had one child at the time, so get him into bed at

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Speaker:

eight and from 8 to 11 or 12 at night.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I'm working on sending out invoices and collecting payments

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

and doing all those things to the point where we were both

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

working so many hours that we were like, Well, this is kind

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

of stupid, why are we doing this?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So we had to we had to grow.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We didn't have a choice. We didn't have to grow.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We didn't have the money to do it.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

We didn't know how we were going to do it or we didn't know

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

what the employees are going to look like.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

But we like we need some help.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

This is getting out of control.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Yeah, definitely say that.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You know, that's not for everybody.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But literally, if you can get through that period, you can

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

help get that key.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

There is light on the other side.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Unless you suck at what you do right, then that doesn't

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

matter. But if you're if you're if you're good at what you

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

do and, you know, like and I'd imagine to just and still

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

wear his tool belt around the house as he walk around

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

thinking he's all that or is he doesn't even wear one

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

anymore.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Here does not.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

As a matter of fact, there there is we have several go to

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

contractors for our jobs around the house.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So he is completely embraced, not doing the technical work.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Well, I got to talk to that guy because I feel like he's got

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

to get shocked in an electrical receptacle at some point

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

just to make sure it works.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

I feel like he has defined delegation, you know, to the

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

point of delegation.

Julie Smith:

Speaker:

Right. He's got it down.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Got a doctorate and a doctorate in delegation.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Did you have a you know, I listen to one of your podcasts,

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

which is which is weird because I don't listen to anything

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

ever. I'm kidding, of course.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

But you had a thing that you talk about clients that you

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

have you have them do this exercise of of writing their own

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

little thing.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You know what I'm talking about.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You want to share with that how that works and how is that

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

received by the clients?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

The analogy exercise.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Yeah, I think it's fantastic.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So. So that was an exercise that our business coach had us

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

do when we were trying to basically find figure out why it

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

is that we were doing what we were doing.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So there's a couple of different ways that you can get to

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that. Some people do the seven layer.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Why? Why are you doing this?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Because of this. Well, why?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Why do you want that? And you just kind of keep asking why

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that's impactful. However, I think the eulogy exercise is

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

more impactful from like an internal soul shaking kind of

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

way because you you literally write what you want, your

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

eulogy to read or what you would want somebody to say as

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

your eulogy at your funeral.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And it kind of.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Makes everything very real, and it really helps you

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

highlight the handful of things that are ultimately

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

important. You know, you say that you want to be a business

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

owner because you want to make more money.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Well, making a bunch of money and dying with a bunch of

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

money isn't something that you would want necessarily to be

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

put in your eulogy.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Right. So if you if you work out the exercise, very humbling

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

exercise of writing your eulogy, then you're really

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

striking the what do you want to be known for?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

What what do you want to die knowing that you've done?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Knowing what kind of person you are.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

The characteristics that you have.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And when you can highlight that out of your eulogy, then

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

going forward and making your vision, it kind of can ground

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

that vision more deeply than if it was just something that

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

was superficial. I want to make more money.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So it's definitely a really humbling exercise.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

There are.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I've only had a few people push back on that exercise.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Most people will do it and they'll, you know, they'll kind

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

of like scratch the surface and then we'll go over it.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And then I'd be like, All right, cool.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

Take it back and let's dig a little deeper.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And then you can tell when they when they kind of hit the

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

the core of it.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

So it's really a very impactful exercise.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

And while it sounds really like morbid, it's got good

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

purpose.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I think it's genius.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I mean, everybody's got to know the why and what are you

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

trying to accomplish? Because for you, this is this is like

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

one of the trick questions.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Not that I haven't given you like 20 of them already, but

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

this one is what is the end game?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

I mean, are you going to try to do this CFO thing for

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

another 20 companies, 50 companies?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You're going to scale and put other people in.

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Are you going to grow your business to be in all 50 states?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

Are you going to open up a ton of other businesses?

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

You're going to milk this thing and just coders in the

Glenn Harper:

Speaker:

sunset. What exactly is Kristen's endgame on this?

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

My end game is is just my clientele.

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

I don't plan on bringing on any other coaches or growing

Kristen Deese:

Speaker:

and scaling to that size.

Kristen Deese:

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I thoroughly enjoy having a handful of clients at a time

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and building really strong, lasting relationships with

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these business owners, as opposed to the very low touch

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hitting a lot of people at the same time.

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Idea. I leave the.

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Growing to 50 states and the things that we're doing to

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Justin because he's that's where he operates.

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Like that's the brain space that he operates in, which is

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super amazing.

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I don't know if you guys are familiar with the book Rocket

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Fuel by Gina Wickman.

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So that book is really cool because it highlights the

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personalities of the visionary and the integrator and that

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how both personalities are necessary in order to have a

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successful business. And very rarely is one person, both

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personalities in just a nice case.

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We are definitely the individuals.

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So he is the visionary and I'm in the integrator.

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I by doing this virtual CFO, I'm able to scratch the itch

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of the integrator for other businesses too, not just my

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own. And so, you know, it's not necessarily a desire of

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mine to grow this particular arm of what we do into this

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ginormous business.

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I'm more after, you know, finding the people that that need

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me and that want to use me and building that relationship

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and making them better and sending them on their way and

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then doing that with the next client and just kind of

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trucking along until I decide that I want to retire on an

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island and Turks and Caicos.

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I think that's fantastic.

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I have this feeling that Justin's got a split personality.

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He really wants to be an integrator, too, but he decides

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that that you like that better.

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So he's going to step back from that.

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That's what I think is going on.

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Yeah, I'm kidding. Of course.

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Well, is there do you want to give a you want to give a

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plug to your company? And so people might be able to look

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you up and do something with that.

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Yeah. So my website is Kristin Dotcom and the services and

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the different things from the virtual CFO standpoint that I

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do are on that site.

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And one thing that we didn't bring up is that just you and

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I are authors. We wrote a book called When Your Business

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Partner Is Your Spouse How to Have a Successful Business

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and a Happy Marriage.

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And that book can be found on my website and on Audible.

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Is that under fiction or non-fiction?

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I'm kidding. 100% true.

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It's a it's an amazing when you get that clarity to make

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that work, because it is hard to do that.

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And when you figure it out, it is it is going to be very

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rewarding. Well, I appreciate your time today.

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Thanks for coming on. And hopefully this was rewarding for

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you as it was for us.

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And I hope our listeners can glean something from this and

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say, You know what, that's going to inspire me to be a

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better entrepreneur.

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This is Glen Harper.

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Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.

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You're welcome.

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And Julie Smith,

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Glenn Harper: Take care.